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Episode 137 Uploaded December 11: Sam Goldman interviews Dr. Phillip Gorski, professor of sociology at
Yale, about the contours of the white Christian Nationalist movement.
His latest book is The Flag and the Cross: White Christian Nationalism and the Threat to American Democracy written with Dr. Samuel Perry.
Then, Sam talks to Micah Lee, Director of Information Security at The Intercept, about the Nazification of Twitter under Elon Musk.
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Dr. Phillip Gorski:
In
the book, we call this the holy trinity of White Christian Nationalism:
freedom, order and violence... fascism as the sort of armed paramilitary
and vigilante movement, there are definitely more and more of these
really hardshell, hard right Christian Nationalists who are just not
that far from White Nationalists anymore... They think of themselves as
the real people, as the real Americans. It's not just denying people who
are different than Americans. It's even denying them their
individuality... I think that's a really key thing to understand is that
it is this 'freedom for me and not for thee.'
Sam Goldman:
When
I think about January 6, too, I was struck that in the Commission
report, White Christian Nationalism didn't really make it in there. When
it was clearly there. You saw it, you saw the gallows, you saw the
flags. It wasn't just the symbols. It was also the prayers. I was struck
by "we don't want to even mention that," as if that wasn't an important
component, as if the fact that people doing it in the name of God as
religious warriors wasn't significant.
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