[Motherboard obtained footage of Ye making bigoted statements
about Jewish people and bizarre claims about "fake children," as well
as describing visions of "kinetic energy" cities sent to him by God. ]
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WATCH THE DISTURBING KANYE INTERVIEW CLIPS THAT TUCKER CARLSON
DIDN’T PUT ON AIR  
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Anna Merlan
October 11, 2022
Vice
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_ Motherboard obtained footage of Ye making bigoted statements about
Jewish people and bizarre claims about "fake children," as well as
describing visions of "kinetic energy" cities sent to him by God. _

Screenshot of Tucker Carlson/Ye interview obtained by Motherboard,

 

Fox News recently aired a two-part interview between Tucker Carlson
and Ye
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the artist formerly known
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West [[link removed]].
Motherboard has obtained portions of the interview that were edited
out of the final broadcast. These include numerous antisemitic
sentiments from Ye, a strange and lengthy digression about “fake
children” he claimed were planted in his house to manipulate his own
children, and a statement that he’s vaccinated against COVID-19. 

Carlson used the interview, which was presented as a piece of landmark
television, to hit on a few of Fox News’ favorite boogeyman, with
Ye’s enthusiastic participation: the Clintons, former President
Obama, COVID restrictions, and, of course, the Kardashians. But what
the Tucker Carlson team chose to leave out is just as revealing. 

In the version of the interview that made it to air, Ye described what
he said was pressure not to support Donald Trump when the latter was a
candidate, called the singer Lizzo “clinically unhealthy” for her
weight, and tried to explain his decision to appear at Paris Fashion
Week with conservative pundit Candace Owens in matching “White Lives
Matter” shirts. Carlson praised the interview as “interesting,
deep, provocative,” and aired nearly two full hours of it over the
course of two nights.

“Do you feel at times you were manipulated by political forces
through your wife?” Carlson asked hopefully at one point, in a
fairly representative piece of footage. (Ye responded that he was
unaware of how close Kim Kardashian was to “the Clintons” during
the time they were married.) A simple statement of fact from Ye—“I
was vaccinated”—was edited out of a part of the conversation about
COVID; Carlson has repeatedly used his show to air false and
dangerous claims
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at discouraging his viewers from getting vaccinated.

The other footage that didn’t air specifically includes numerous
asides about Jewish people. Ye has recently displayed an intense
negative fixation on Jews; both his Instagram and Twitter accounts
have been locked
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recent days because of Ye’s antisemitic statements. On Friday,
October 7, he appeared to suggest
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an Instagram post that the rapper Diddy is controlled by Jews. Not
long after, he promised in a tweet that he would go “death con 3”
on “JEWISH PEOPLE.” 

In his interview with Carlson, Ye said that Planned Parenthood founder
Margaret Sanger, a “known eugenics,” as he put it, created Planned
Parenthood with the KKK “to control the Jew population.”

“When I say Jew, I mean the 12 lost tribes of Judah, the blood of
Christ, who the people known as the race Black really are,” Ye
added. “This is who our people are. The blood of Christ. This, as a
Christian, is my belief.” 

The statement mashes up a few different claims. Sanger was indeed a
racist and eugenicist, a stance the organization has since denounced
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that Planned Parenthood exists to kill Black infants in the womb are
common across several different conspiratorial spaces
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Ye was also referring to the claim, unsupported by historical
evidence, that Black people are the “real” Jewish race, which is
often used to promote antisemitism. (The Southern Poverty Law
Center has a broader explanation
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this particular tangled claim, which is often, but not always,
associated with the Black Hebrew Israelites, a movement that
originated in the 19th century; some Black Hebrew Israelite sects
believe that non-Black Jews are impostors or usurpers of “true”
Jewish identity.
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In another aside about Jews that didn’t make it to air, Ye used a
strange metaphor when talking about Black people judging one another,
telling Carlson, “Think about us judging each other on how white we
could talk would be like, you know, a Jewish person judging another
Jewish person on how good they danced or something.” He paused. “I
mean, that's probably like a bad example and people are going to get
mad at that shit.” A few moments later, he added, “I probably want
to edit that out.” 

At another point, when complaining that his children are going to a
school that celebrates Kwanzaa, Ye added, “I prefer my kids knew
Hanukkah than Kwanzaa. At least it will come with some financial
engineering.” (The belief that Jews control the financial system is
one of the oldest and most deeply-rooted antisemitic claims. It’s
unclear if that’s what he meant by “financial engineering,” a
term generally associated with the creation of exotic financial
instruments.) 

In one more aside, Ye told Carlson that he was going to be “the
first Latino president.” That statement was aired, but it was
followed by something that wasn’t. “I just, I trust Latinos when
I, you know, when I work with them,” he told Carlson. “I trust
them more than—” he paused. “I'll be safe, certain other
businessmen, you know.” (Carlson did not ask which businessmen those
might be.) 

Carlson’s program also didn’t air a strange claim from Ye that
“fake children” had been placed in his house to manipulate his
children. 

“I mean, like actors, professional actors, placed into my house to
sexualize my kids,” he told Carlson. He referred to the “so-called
son” of an associate, seemingly to imply the child was fake. “We
don't, we didn’t even believe that this person was her son because
he was way smarter than her, right?” (Ye has spoken frequently
about living with bipolar disorder
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experiencing manic episodes. In 2019, he discussed
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he experiences these with David Letterman, telling him, “When
you’re in this state, you’re hyper-paranoid about everything,
everyone. This is my experience, other people have different
experiences. Everyone now is an actor. Everything’s a
conspiracy.”)

Carlson didn’t ask any followup questions or redirect this line of
thought, allowing Ye to lead directly into another claim, which also
didn’t air, about one of his children being “kidnapped” on her
birthday so that Ye was not able to see her. That claim is part of
what seems to be his ongoing, and very public, obsession with being
treated unfairly or unequally in his children’s lives, and in the
midst of a heated custody battle
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Kim Kardashian. 

“Everyone saw in broad daylight these public figures kidnap my Black
child on her birthday,” he told Carlson. “I did not know the
location of the birthday party and Travis Scott had to give me the
address. When I showed up, they were so frazzled. If that's not the
most Karen-level thing, to feel like you can take a Black child and
not give the father the address. This is the way people are treated
when they get out of prison, when they go to prison. And 100 percent,
I am in a glass prison or else I'd be the one with the say so over
where my children go to school.” 

Ye has repeatedly claimed on Instagram that his child Chicago was not
permitted to see him on her birthday, something that Kim’s sister
Khloe Kardashian responded to
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the comments of one post. “Again with the birthday narrative,” she
wrote. “Enough already. We all know the truth and in my opinion,
everyone's tired of it. You know exactly where your children are at
all times and YOU wanted separate birthdays. I have seen all of the
texts to prove it."

A lengthy piece of the interview that was also not broadcast involved
Ye’s ruminations about the death of Virgil Abloh, the fashion
designer who was his one-time friend, and who died in November 2021.
Ye accused Louis Vuitton, where Abloh worked at the time of his death,
of “killing” Abloh and said he was “beefing” with the company.
(Abloh died of cancer at just 41 years old.) 

 “Virgil was actually the third person to die of cancer in that
organization,” Ye told Carlson. “So not just Black men have passed
in that organization, but the third person to die of cancer that was
in a higher up position in that organization. And with Paris is a
different level of elitism and racism. And Virgil was the kind of guy
that he didn't hold it in. And I believe it ate him up from inside.”
A moment later, he added, “The level of racism, elitism and pressure
that he was under, I'm sure, affected his health.” 

Ye also made a strange comment, which Carlson didn’t air, about his
plans to create “kinetic energy communities” built with “free
energy,” a technology not currently available to human beings.

“I have visions that God gives me, just over and over, on community
building and how to build these free energy, kinetic, fully kinetic
energy communities,” he told Carlson, “where we impress—we put
the least impression on the earth. We're not building the new New York
skyline cockfight. That we are humble in the way that we present
ourselves. We’ve got to rethink who we are as a species.”
Including this portion of the interview might have helped audiences
understand Ye’s state of mind, and general grasp on observable
reality. (While Ye has said that he stops taking his medication
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periods of time, in an Instagram post earlier this year, he also
called it “dismissive”
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“say I’m off my meds anytime I speak up.”)

Carlson closed his segment on the Ye interview by declaring that the
artist—whose erratic behavior has for years been at the center
of discussions
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health
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how Black men with mental health issues are treated— is “not
crazy” and “worth listening to.” He also added, approvingly,
that Ye was “getting bolder” in what he has to say.

Carlson and Fox News spokespeople did not respond to multiple requests
for comment. Representatives for Ye and Louis Vuitton also did not
respond to requests for comment.

_Anna Merlan [[link removed]] is
Senior Staff Writer, Feature, Vice News. [email protected]
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* Kanye West
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* Tucker Carlson
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* Fox News
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* anti-Semitism
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* mental health
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