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Anne Nelson: Media, Money & the Secret Hub of the Radical Right

Episode 98 - Uploaded February 13: Sam Goldman interviews Anne Nelson, author of Shadow Network: Media, Money, and the Secret Hub of the Radical Right (get your paperback copy, updated after January 6th) and Research Scholar at Columbia University. Her work investigating the Council for National Policy (CNP), which includes many well-known and not-so-well-known actors is essential for understanding the fascist movement in the US.


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Anne Nelson: What's happening in these states is them pursuing the mechanics to first put in their own people as election oversight officials. They can seize the mechanisms of our elections and impose their will and then continue to change electoral laws until they can install themselves in power for the foreseeable future. People need to inform themselves and educate themselves and they had to do it in a hurry because the next round is the 2022 elections. I think that the only hope we have is some kind of massive and very well informed civic action.

Sam Goldman: Things have moved rapidly beyond the situation we were in, in 2020, during the election, and its immediate aftermath. Among what we rightly call the decent people, who are opposed to these fascists, there's way too much of this fairy tale feeling that this will all work out with experts and leaders, but not so much that you have to do anything that makes a difference. We can't say there was a coup attempt and then say they don't have a shot at doing it again. We keep hearing that the election system is under attack and in the same breath, that the elections are the only answer.

Comment from a listener: Love your talk with Chelsea Ebin. I may be a 72 year-old white man, but it is your generation that I learned from and who inspires me. Way too many of my generation betrayed the ideals of the 1960s. You are not alone in our shared struggle for racial gender and economic equality. We may be pessimists in our mind, but we always preserve optimism in our hearts. I wear your Refuse Fascism Cap proudly, also very warm in the Minneapolis winter. In solidarity, and keeping our hearts on the left. Harold, an old Midwestern socialist.

Sam answers: Thanks Harold! Now go be like Harold. Go to RefuseFascism.org and get your hat, and go back and listen to Episode 90: Male Supremacy, Common Ground for Fascists.

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