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In this episode, Dr. Goodwin is joined by Irin Carmon, journalist and co-author of Notorious RBG: The Life and Times of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, to delve into Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s legacy. 

It’s been just over a year since RBG died. Goodwin and Carmon reckon with recent revelations, and ask the important questions: How did her death shape the current fight around abortion rights and other issues? Should she have retired? And what comes next at the Supreme Court?
 

“All of these ways in which she had singularly beat the odds, I think, gave her a sense that she could continue.” —Irin Carmon

“She believed that...like many people, but in her case, to catastrophic effect, she believed that Hillary Clinton would win. I think she hoped that Hillary Clinton would appoint her successor. She actually said a few times that she thought that Hillary was going to win, and she was wrong.” —Irin Carmon

“When I interviewed Justice Ginsburg and asked her about [America’s climate around racial justice issues] in 2015, she said people who think we can wave a magic wand and generations of oppression disappear are blind.” —Irin Carmon
 

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