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Afghanistan Withdrawal: Sundays With the Military Industrial Complex Julie Hollar ([link removed])


As US troops finally made their exit from Afghanistan ([link removed]) after 20 years of occupation, the Sunday shows—which have always aimed to set Washington agendas ([link removed]) —were filled with guests who had direct ties to the military/industrial complex.

FAIR analyzed three weeks of ABC's This Week, CBS's Face the Nation, CNN's State of the Union, Fox News Sunday and NBC's Meet the Press during the Afghanistan withdrawal (8/15/21, 8/22/21, 8/29/21). We recorded 36 featured guest appearances and 33 roundtable participant appearances. Those who appeared on more than one show were counted every time they appeared; there were 24 unique featured guests and 32 unique panelists.

Of the 24 unique featured guests, only two were not from the US: Roya Rahmani, the former ambassador to the US from Afghanistan, and Yasmeen Hassan, the Pakistani director of the NGO Equality Now. The two were interviewed jointly in one CNN segment (8/29/21 ([link removed]) )—the only segment in the study to center on the situation of Afghan women ([link removed]) .


** MIC ties
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HR McMaster, Meet the Press

Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster (Meet the Press, 8/29/21 ([link removed]) ): "We surrendered to a jihadist organization and assumed that there would be no consequences for that."

Twenty of the 22 unique featured guests from the United States had ties to the military/industrial complex. These MIC associates accounted for 28 of US guests’ 34 appearances. They included 13 appearances by elected officials who are recipients of military industry PAC money, 12 appearances by current or former government officials who serve or have served as consultants or advisors to the military industry, and eight appearances by former members of the military. (Some guests had multiple ties.)

The two exceptions were National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, who appeared five times, and career diplomat and former ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker (CBS, 8/22/21 ([link removed]) ). Even these exceptions didn't stray far from the MIC orbit: Crocker was cozy enough to the military to be named an honorary Marine in 2012 ([link removed]) , and Sullivan was a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a somewhat misleadingly named think tank that regularly takes five- and six-figure donations ([link removed]) from various tentacles of the military/industrial complex.

No elected officials without military/industrial complex ties were invited on to discuss the situation in Afghanistan in the three weeks studied. Nor were any scholars, activists or civil society leaders aside from Hassan.

Though roundtable panelists are predominantly journalists, one—Council on Foreign Relations fellow Gayle Tzemach Lemmon—also had MIC ties.


** Skewed against withdrawal
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Liz Cheney on This Week

Rep. Liz Cheney (This Week, 8/15/21): "Everybody who has been saying, 'America needs to withdraw, America needs to retreat,' we are getting a devastating, catastrophic, real-time lesson in what that means." Cheney took $104,500 ([link removed]) from military industry PACs in the 2020 election cycle.

The arguments expressed in these Afghanistan segments skewed against withdrawal, despite the fact that a majority of the public has consistently supported ([link removed]) withdrawal. In a Quinnipiac poll (9/10–13/21 ([link removed]) ), respondents supported Biden's decision to withdraw, 54% to 41%; Monmouth (9/9–13/21 ([link removed]) ) found 63% in support of withdrawal "regardless of how it was handled" versus only 27% opposed. When offered the option of approving of withdrawal while disapproving of Biden's handling of it, an ABC/Washington Post poll (8/29/21–9/1/21 ([link removed]) ) found a total of 78% in favor of withdrawal.

The format of the Sunday shows for the three weeks studied typically featured a Biden administration guest questioned about Afghanistan as the headliner, followed by a Republican guest offering a counterpoint. Featured guests on other topics (often the Covid pandemic) sometimes followed, wrapped up with a roundtable of three or four panelists analyzing the week's news. (CBS and CNN did not have roundtables.)

Hosts tended to ask questions of the administration guests that predominantly—sometimes exclusively—concerned the process of withdrawal, rather than the wisdom of it. For instance, in four of Secretary of State Antony Blinken's seven appearances, and three of National Security Adviser Sullivan's five appearances, they were only asked process questions, and made no statements in support of the decision to withdraw.
Lindsey Graham, Face the Nation

Sen. Lindsey Graham: (Face the Nation, 8/29/21): "You cannot break ISIS's will through drone attacks. You've got to have people on the ground hitting these people day in and day out." Graham took $256,700 ([link removed]) from military industry PACs in the 2020 election cycle.

But the Republicans brought on to offer "balance"—such as Sen. Lindsey Graham, Sen. Ben Sasse and Rep. Liz Cheney—were frequently introduced as opponents of withdrawal, not just critics of the process, and given ample opportunity to discuss that opposition.

As a result, the shows tilted toward anti-withdrawal voices. Of the 16 appearances by featured guests with Democratic affiliations, only eight voiced support for withdrawal; of the 17 appearances by Republicans, 11 expressed opposition to withdrawal itself, not just how it was handled. (One opposition voice, Crocker, served under both Republican and Democratic administrations, and was therefore counted in both groups.)

Three other pro-Trump Republicans—Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo and Rep. Steve Scalise—expressed support for the general idea of withdrawal, but opposition to Biden's withdrawal. Haley argued: "President Trump very much wanted to see soldiers come out of Afghanistan. So it's not about soldiers coming out." But she also argued that Biden should have kept troops in under the circumstances: "This was a complete and total surrender and an embarrassing failure.... The Biden administration needs to go back and extend that August 31 deadline."

Of the roundtable panelists, 11 presented arguments opposed to withdrawal, while seven presented arguments in favor; 15 did not voice an argument on either side.


** Pro-occupation journalists
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Peter Baker on Meet the Press

New York Times' Peter Baker (Meet the Press, 8/15/21 ([link removed]) ; with Washington Post's Anne Gearan): "It's a dark day for America.... And it's a dark day, especially, for the Afghan people."

Many of those panelists offering pro-war arguments were—perhaps unsurprisingly to regular FAIR readers (1/31/19 ([link removed]) , 8/24/21 ([link removed]) )—journalists. New York Times chief White House correspondent Peter Baker ([link removed]) (NBC, 8/15/21 ([link removed]) ) parroted talking points popular among Republican guests:

There’s a relatively minor investment of national resources in the last few years, right?....

In one day, we'll have six times as many people die of Covid in America as we've had combat casualties in five years. So we were not actually sustaining a big war effort. Very few troops there in the scheme of things. Much less than we have in South Korea, much less than we have in Germany, for an outsized impact, right? We've had a stable, if not very satisfying, situation in Afghanistan. I think Anne [Gearan, Washington Post White House correspondent] is right. The conclusion is we can't make it better. But we now see in the last few days, we can make it worse....

And it's a dark day. It's a dark day for America. It's going to be the end of a 20-year experiment, 20 years of epic failure. And it's a dark day, especially, for the Afghan people, 38 million people who are now going to be returned to the tender mercies of the Taliban.

This Week Jonathan Karl

ABC's Jonathan Karl (This Week, 8/29/21 ([link removed]) ): "Now the big question is, does Afghanistan once again become a safe haven for terrorist attacks on US interests around the world or at home?"

ABC reporter Jonathan Karl ([link removed]) offered this analysis as a panelist on ABC's This Week (8/29/21 ([link removed]) ):

Now the big question is, does Afghanistan once again become a safe haven for terrorist attacks on US interests around the world or at home?... You know, maybe part of the reason why Afghanistan had not been such, is that it was a military presence in Afghanistan. But now we will have this over-the-horizon capability, but the bottom line is the terror threat has increased, and our ability to combat it has decreased....

President Biden has portrayed this as, he has two choices. Basically, go back in, be in the middle of a revived civil war. Send in more troops, or leave as quickly as possible. Those were, I think, not the two choices, and the bottom line is that the intelligence that he was receiving, and the advice from his military, was not on the dangers of staying a little while longer. It was on the dangers of leaving too quickly.

Helene Cooper, Meet the Press

New York Times correspondent Helene Cooper (Meet the Press, 8/22/21 ([link removed]) ): "For 20 years, Joe Biden has believed that he knew more about Afghanistan, and he was the only realistic skeptic in a roomful of people who had pipe dreams."

Similarly, New York Times Pentagon correspondent Helene Cooper ([link removed]) argued on NBC's Meet the Press (8/22/21 ([link removed]) ):

The one thing that I feel like this whole conversation on Afghanistan constantly doesn't reckon with is what some people in the military would call the original sin. And that is the decision that President Biden made that withdrawing 3,500 troops from Afghanistan, rejecting the advice of his Defense secretary and his chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to leave 3,000 to 4,500 people there, was not going to lead to the insane chaos that we are seeing now....

What I find so interesting about all this is for 20 years, Joe Biden has believed that he knew more about Afghanistan, and he was the only realistic skeptic in a roomful of people who had pipe dreams about this.... That's exactly the problem, because he came in and he was not going to listen. He believed the Pentagon had rolled a successive number of administrations for 20 years. And he was going to stand up to them.

Such trust in the military for policy decisions, not just tactical ones, extended to questions from Sunday hosts, as when NBC's Chuck Todd ([link removed]) (8/22/21) ([link removed]) pressed the National Security Council's Sullivan:

So you followed the military advice on closing Bagram. But the same military advisers were telling you to keep a force on the ground. They told you not to pursue this withdrawal agreement with the Taliban, correct?


** Parity: partisan, not gender
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The Sunday shows clearly made an effort to prioritize partisan parity: 17 guests were Republican elected officials or were affiliated with Republican administrations, while 16 guests had similar Democratic affiliations. (Four guests had no partisan affiliations.) The panels had a similar breakdown, with five having Republican affiliations and four tied to Democrats.

The programs showed no similar concern for gender parity among their interview guests. Of the 36 featured guest appearances, only six were women. Fox featured no women as guests in the three-week study period, and no outlet had more than two. The roundtable guests were essentially balanced by gender, with 17 women and 16 men.
Chris Wallace and Anthony Blinken, Fox News Sunday

Chris Wallace (Fox News Sunday, 8/22/21 ([link removed]) ) to Secretary of State Antony Blinken: "Joe Biden...has made a pretty cold calculation that, for instance, the plight of Afghan women...is not a matter of national security."

While they made no efforts for gender parity among interview guests, women did appear frequently as talking points against the withdrawal (FAIR.org, 8/23/21 ([link removed]) ). Fox News' Chris Wallace (8/22/21 ([link removed]) )—one of the network's few remaining journalists to not wear their partisanship on their sleeve—offered his frank assessment of Biden's choice:

It seems to me that we learned a lot about Joe Biden this week. That for all of the talk about his empathy, that, in fact, he has made a pretty cold calculation that, for instance, the plight of Afghan women—and there's every reason to believe their lives are going to get a lot worse now with the Taliban in charge—is not a matter of national security.

ABC's Karl (8/15/21 ([link removed]) ), in a question to Blinken, likewise emphasized Afghan girls:

So what does all this mean for America's image in the world, and for what President Biden has spoken so forcefully about, the need to fight on behalf of democracy and democratic values? To see us leaving, and an extremist group coming in and taking power that wants to close down the right of girls to go to school, that is executing surrendering soldiers, that is anything but representative of those democratic values that President Biden has said that the United States must stand for.

CNN (8/29/21 ([link removed]) ), however, was the only outlet to actually feature an Afghan woman as an interview guest.


** Featured Sunday Show Guests on Afghanistan (8/15–29/21)
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Name Title Party Appearances Military/Industrial Complex Ties
Antony Blinken Secretary of State D 7 FoundedWestExec ([link removed]) , consulting firm with military industry clients. Former partner inPine Island ([link removed]) , military industry–centered investment group.
Jake Sullivan National Security Advisor D 5 Senior fellow atCarnegie Endowment for International Peace ([link removed]) , which receives funding from multiple MIC members*
Ben Sasse Senator, Nebraska R 2 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Liz Cheney Representative, Wyoming R 2 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Adam Kinzinger Representative, IIllinois R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs; former military
Chris Murphy Senator, Connecticut D 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
H.R. McMaster Former National Security Advisor R 1 Former board, Atlantic Council ([link removed]) , funded by multiple MIC members; former military
Jariko Denman Former Army Ranger 1 Former military
Joni Ernst Senator, Iowa R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs; former military
Larry Hogan Governor, Maryland R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Lindsey Graham Senator, South Carolina R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Lloyd Austin Secretary of Defense D 1 Former board member,Raytheon ([link removed]) ; former partner inPine Island ([link removed]) , military industry–centered investment group; former military
Michael McCaul Representative, Texas R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Mike Mullen Former Chair, Joint Chiefs of Staff D 1 Partner atPine Island ([link removed]) , military industry–centered investment group; former board member atGeneral Motors; former military ([link removed]) .
Mike Pompeo Former Secretary of State R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Mitch McConnell Senator, Kentucky R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Mitt Romney Senator, Utah R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Nikki Haley Former UN Ambassador R 1 Former board member,Boeing ([link removed])
Peter Meijer Representative, Michigan R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs; former military
Ryan Crocker Former Ambassador to Afghanistan D/R 1 Honorary Marine*
Steve Scalise Representative, Louisiana R 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs
Roya Rahmani Former Afghan Ambassador to US 1 --
Seth Moulton Representative, Massachusetts D 1 Campaign funding ([link removed]) from MIC PACs; former military
Yasmeen Hassan Executive Director, Equality Now 1 --

* Not counted in statistics as a military/industrial complex tie.
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Research assistance: Dorothy Poucher, Jasmine Watson, Adam Weintraub
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