Dr. Ruth Ben-Ghiat: The over 30,000 lies that Trump told primed the audience for January 6. Thousands and thousands of small lies prepared people for the big lie."
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On this weeks Refuse Fascism podcast, Sam Goldman speaks with Dr. Ruth Ben-Ghiat, historian of fascism, and a professor of history and Italian studies at New York University, who appears regularly on CNN. Dr. Ben-Ghiat was one of the strongest voices on the danger posed by Trump's presidency and the likelihood he would refuse to leave. She has a recent book, Strong Men, Mussolini to the Present, and launched Lucid, a publication about threats to democracy and abuses of power. Sam says, "Out of the dozens of scholars and writers I've interviewed for this podcast, she always stands out to me for her global perspective. She doesn't just look at fascism, or autocrats through a European context, but she looks at the whole world and consistently connects to what the people in those countries do, or fail to do, and the role of resistance."
"The way propaganda works is propagandists don't care about the contradictions. Effective propaganda builds on a grain of what people already feel and then it leads them further down that road. Sometimes it builds on a grain of truth. And this is the ultimate power move of the authoritarian to get people to lose confidence in their own critical faculties and listen to the leader. The over 30,000 lies that Trump told primed the audience for January 6. Thousands and thousands of small lies prepared people for the big lie."
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