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April 12, 2021 | DR. JORDAN B. PETERSON

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast:

United States Senator Mike Lee

I had the pleasure of speaking with Senator Mike Lee on February 18, 2021. We discuss his experiences as a United States Senator for the state of Utah. Senator Lee and I talked at length about the structure and original formation of the US government. We also cover his hypothesis of what’s happening politically today, why it’s a problem, as well as possible solutions.

Mike Lee has been a conservative Republican for the state of Utah since January 3, 2011. He is also a New York Times bestseller with his book “Written Out of History: The Forgotten Founders Who Fought Big Government.” 

The Death of God?

The following is from a draft of 
Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life

(Estimated Read: 4 Minutes)

I became convinced some thirty years previously that the warnings of the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche had to be taken seriously: that the death of God, which he announced in the late nineteenth century, threatened to undermine everything of value in the civilization of the West. Nietzsche believed that Man would have to become God, in a sense, as a consequence of the collapse of Christian belief: would have to forge his own values and thereby find his place in a cosmos now devoid of divine transcendent purpose.
 
But, concurrently, I read the psychoanalysts, Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, and the great biological psychologists of the late 20th century, and came to know in a terrifying manner that we were not masters in our own houses, and could not, in consequence, consciously conjure forth the spirit needed to replace what we had lost with the degeneration of institutional Christianity. We have a nature—an ethical nature. Everyone experiences their own proof of that, in the ability to escape from the sting of their conscience when they do what they should not, or fail to do what they should. And I became convinced, for those and other reasons, that the world of human experience has a moral structure that cannot be evaded; a moral structure that is in fact our home. And this was not because I became convinced of the existence of the Good, but because reading history, psychologically—and reading it as a perpetrator and not a victim or, even more unlikely, a hero— had convinced me that Evil was real, and that it dwelt in the heart. 
 
And as I studied as deeply as I could manage, I found that the wisdom of the Biblical stories, for example, appeared truly bottomless. No matter how much time I spent assessing or analyzing the stunningly brief accounts in Genesis I always learned more—and more, and more—without any indication that I had come close to the bottom. This came—and still comes—as a tremendous surprise to me. It was not in the least what I expected and, although I have spend three decades trying to explain and understand it, I believe that I am still far from an acceptable understanding. It’s partly because the Biblical stories are all connected to one another, so that the Bible is, in some sense, the world’s first hyperlinked (and thoroughly hyperlinked) text. It’s partly because those foundational stories are woven into the great art and literature that has emerged since the dawn of the Christian era, as well as into the morality that structures the manner in which we perceive and respond to the world. And I began to see that the stories that have grounded our culture had to be revitalized and their meanings made conscious, or we would literally lose our minds, in the same way that people deprived of their equally mysterious private dreams inevitably lose theirs. 

Beyond Order

Jordan Peterson

While chaos, in excess, threatens us with instability and anxiety, unchecked order can petrify us into submission. Beyond Order provides a call to balance these two fundamental principles of reality itself, and guides us along the straight and narrow path that divides them.

 

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