I agree with Joe Rogan. Hear me out. The Big Lie has powered the MAGA movement since 2016. After winning the election, Donald Trump falsely claimed that millions of people illegally voted for Secretary Hillary Clinton. While he won the Electoral College, losing the popular vote was an embarrassment and delegitimizing strike against his power.

View in browser ([link removed] )

NL-Header_DD-Premium2 ([link removed] )

November 22, 2025

I agree with Joe Rogan. Hear me out.

The Big Lie has powered the MAGA movement since 2016. After winning the election, Donald Trump falsely claimed that millions of people illegally voted for Secretary Hillary Clinton. While he won the Electoral College, losing the popular vote was an embarrassment and delegitimizing strike against his power.

Leading up to the 2020 election, Trump meticulously trained his followers to believe that Democrats were rigging the election. And when he lost, the lies he had peppered throughout his speeches and rallies paid off — bigly, as he would so eloquently say. There was a swift and calculated reaction from the Trump camp: They said ballots had been altered, shipped in or had gone missing. Democrats had tampered with voting machines. Dead people had voted in Michigan.

It was all a lie — a big lie that took on a life of its own. A lie that led to the insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. It soon became a staple — a long-winded rant — in Trump’s 2024 stump speech. To this day, even as he has reclaimed the office of the presidency, Trump insists that 2020 was stolen — now wielding his power to direct Justice Department investigations into the election.

If you’ve been thinking about joining our community of 50,000+ members, now’s the time. You’ll get access to more exclusive content like this ([link removed] ) — and help defend democracy in the process.

SUPPORT OUR MISSION
([link removed] )

I’ve written about this before, and for many of you, this is old news.

However, it seems to be new news to the Manosphere. Led by their unofficial leader, Joe Rogan, the spidery web of the Manosphere includes comedians and podcasters who have a sharp right bend and a bad habit of pushing conservative talking points and conspiracies.

During the 2024 election, this bias became obvious. When Kamala Harris’ campaign lobbied for her to appear on “The Joe Rogan Experience,” he snubbed her in favor of an interview with Trump. With 20 million followers and influence over a demographic where Democrats have been bleeding support, this was no small victory for Trump’s team — especially in October 2024, with only 10 days to go until Election Day.

That’s why Joe Rogan’s recent comments about Trump surprised me — and why they might signal changing tides in the Manosphere. Last week on his podcast, Rogan was baffled by Trump’s insistence that the election was stolen — despite the stark lack of evidence. To Rogan, who was decked out in an astronaut suit, it was bad marketing, poor planning and kind of stupid.

“If I ran for president and I told you, dude, they stole the election, and you're like, how? I would have an answer. No one has an answer,” he said. He makes a solid point. Then, after going through the list of Big Lie claims, Rogan said, “If you have that [evidence], then you got to make a fucking documentary, a really good one, and put it out there so everybody could understand it. Because it's crazy that this is four years later, and people are still saying that.”

Rogan is right. It is crazy. And even more than that, it’s hypocritical, as Rogan later points out: “Or you don't wanna fix it [the Big Lie] because you monkey with the elections, too. And is there evidence of that? Well, I do know that a Republican company bought the Dominion voting thing. A GOP supporter bought the voting machines.”

Now, I don’t think Joe Rogan is ready to join the opposition. However, maybe that makes Rogan’s thoughts about the Big Lie even more notable.

It’s clear that Trump’s continued lies about the 2020 election are wearing thin and the more he tells them, the more obvious that becomes. Even his own supporters are telling him it was almost six years ago. Give it up. Let it go.

Go deeper with Marc’s expert insights and join the community pushing back against Trump and his threats to democracy.

Support our pro-democracy newsroom today. ([link removed] )

SUPPORT OUR MISSION
([link removed] )

Obviously, Trump has his reasons not to let it go. But it may do him more harm than good. He lost the 2020 election — and it wasn’t close. Trump doesn't have evidence because there is no evidence.

Just one year ago, Trump sat across from Rogan for a three-hour interview. Now, Rogan is questioning his integrity. If the Manosphere is catching on to Trump’s scheme, we can assume a lot of the country got off the Big Lie Trump Train a long time ago.

And it’s not just the Big Lie. The administration’s relationship with Palantir has other members of the Manosphere concerned. Podcaster Theo Von told Vice President JD Vance that the surveillance “makes you feel like you won't be a person anymore.” This comes as comedian Andrew Schulz, who also interviewed and voted for Trump, experienced some buyer’s remorse: “I voted for none of this. He’s doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for.”

The pro-democracy movement has room to grow. Our big tent is open and welcomes all who are seeking shelter from Trump’s authoritarian regime. So, if your issue is the truth behind the Big Lie, come on in. If you’re worried about the police state, join us. If you understand that Trump is betraying why you voted for him, welcome. The more the merrier.

The fight for democracy won’t be won alone. We need everyone who cares about our country and our future to link arms and fight back against Donald Trump. And if that includes Joe Rogan, great. He’s welcome to bring his followers.

PD2-Blue&Rosie and Phoebe ([link removed] )

Facebook ([link removed] )

X ([link removed] )

Instagram ([link removed] )

Bluesky_Logo-grey (2) ([link removed] )

YouTube ([link removed] )

Website ([link removed] )

TikTok ([link removed] )

We also understand that not everyone is able to make this commitment, which is why our free daily and weekly newsletters aren’t going anywhere! If you prefer not to receive samples of our premium content and only want our free daily and weekly newsletters, you can opt out here. ([link removed] )

Unsubscribe ([link removed] ) | Manage your preferences ([link removed] ) | Donate ([link removed] )

Democracy Docket, LLC

250 Massachusetts Avenue, Suite 400

Washington, D.C., 20009