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Fascism On Trial with Anthony DiMaggio and Henry Giroux
Episode 196 uploaded March 31: Sam Goldman welcomes back onto the show Anthony DiMaggio and Henry Giroux to discuss their latest book Fascism on Trial: Education and the Possibility of Democracy. Dr. Henry A. Giroux is a renowned educator and author of multiple books on fascism and pedagogy. He holds the Chair for Scholarship in the Public Interest in English and Cultural Studies at McMaster University, Canada.
Dr. Anthony R. DiMaggio is a Professor of Political Science at Lehigh University, USA. He is the author of Rising Fascism in America: It Can Happen Here.
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Henry Giroux:
This is a fascism that expands the logic of disposability. We're not just talking about a specific group. Now we're talking about anybody who doesn't fit into this white Christian nationalist notion. So what's at stake here is a shrinking of the public sphere and a shrinking of the notion of who counts as a citizen. And who doesn't count as a citizen isn't just as excluded, but now are the objects of potential violence, if not elimination,
Anthony DiMaggio:
People don't recognize what fascism actually is to the point where they may be embracing many elements of it in a sort of dressed-up form with more diplomatic language. You need to build a movement. And so where does that start? It starts with, you know, average people. It starts with people who are willing to do these things and alternative media people in higher ed who are willing to sort of stick their neck out. There's really no excuse in these situations for people not to be taking these things seriously because we're the people who are going to have to build this movement.
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