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Fascism in America - Past and Present
Episode 172 uploaded September 24: Sam Goldman speaks with Gavriel D. Rosenfeld and Janet Ward, the two editors of a new book titled Fascism in America. Dr. Rosenfeld is President of the Center for Jewish History and
Professor of History at Fairfield University.
Dr. Ward is an American Council on Education Fellow at Yale University, and Brammer Presidential Professor of History and
Faculty Fellow for Strategic Initiatives (DFCAS) at the University of
Oklahoma.
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Dr. Janet Ward:
Our book is trying to be the generator of multiple approaches for conceptualizing and defining American fascism, so that people can recognize what's going on now. And contextualized origins of fascism in the United States and draw lines of connection that might not have been made apparently as clear as they might have been.
Dr. Gavriel Rosenfeld:
One of the issues that our book deals with is not only chronicling and interpreting the activism and misdeeds and very ominous plots of fascist movements in the 30s, up to the present, but we're also talking about the discourse around fascism as it has also existed in America since the 30s. In other words, there's the referent. There's the objective existence of fascism and then there's the the way that people talk about it.
Sam Goldman:
We
are confronted by the most dangerous myth in world history - that
pernicious American exceptionalism that deludes itself into thinking we
can’t, we wouldn’t, we aren’t even though this is the same country that
did and is and only exists because of all that. This is a nation birthed
from genocide of native people, a country that gained its wealth from
chattel slavery and its standing in the world through constant wars for
empire. We know the outcome when good people choose to ignore these
fascist movements, hoping they will be exempt from the violence or that
someone else will stop them. And those outcomes are uniformly
horrendous.
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